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Hot take: Strongest creatures in the setting shouldn't just be clowned by PCs with no resistance.
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It is actually bad game design in the sense that there really isn't a decent mechanic to escape monsters. 5.0 orcs, for example, had double the speed of the average PC with their dumbass free move action. The solution is rolling disengage as a series of skill checks (like World of Darkness would...) but then you have to explain how, exactly, a dude in full plate escapes a dragon.
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The Pathfinder game i play can be brutal. The party has learned to just nope the fuck out if something looks sketchy. The dm told us at the beginning that the world was "real" and we're just thrown in it, so nothing is level adjusted.Beat the campaign by forcing the DM to explain the logistics of how the monsters find their daily calories
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Meh, I can make a Swara bastet / Tremere abomination with ranks in Celerity and mage powers and cybernetic arms from that one Pentex supplement who can attack 30 times with enchanted plasma cannons, doing 300d aggravated before Cain gets his first action.Okay you still die
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Depends on the level of the PC, and/or if they can come up with a really good reason why a bunch of weak mortals could feasibly defeat a literal god. If the plan is clever enough, fuck the rules and stats. The point is to have fun.It's never the real god, just a physical avatar. There's still a lot of Batman vs Superman narrative horseshit in the idea though "Oh you surprised the guy who moves faster than most speedsters and can hear and see everything around him. Sure, okay, then he leaves and throws an asteroid he found within half a second from orbit before you're done blinking"
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.This is very game dependent. Right now I'm in a pretty brutal one where everyone is branded by the goddess of mind control and we have miniboss encounters with our own former PCs who've been turned into grotesque monsters - but I've also played in games where the PCs were newcomers to Olympus and more or less ended up recreating the first few God of War games.
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.I am not that much a D&D player, but doesn't it a huge power scale meaning that in the lower levels, it's fairly easy to design a *you fucking loose* encounter. And isn't there *The Tarasque* who is basically a *you fucking loose statblock* I am all for a *choose your fight* approach where you should definitely not mess with someone bigger/stronger especiully without a plan or a lot of explosives. However, I expect that PC can make it out of an *ordinary* fight (just make sure it's not a target shooting practice and put 1-2 PC on the ground). Then if the 13th gen newborns vampire want to fight the 5th gen prince, not my problem if they have to burn their character sheet afterwards. Finally, one of the best rpg out there is *10 candles* where you know from scratch that everyone will die
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.The official charactersheet for Caine: https://64.media.tumblr.com/e06763afdbed16a49a0146a2282002a4/tumblr_n6pj41Ch1s1qhuazoo1_540.jpg
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The dog on the left is such a strawman lol. Those who would say such a thing are few and far between. I know plenty of DMs and players who think the PCs' combat encounters should be challenging and even lethal.
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The dog on the left is such a strawman lol. Those who would say such a thing are few and far between. I know plenty of DMs and players who think the PCs' combat encounters should be challenging and even lethal.
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I am not that much a D&D player, but doesn't it a huge power scale meaning that in the lower levels, it's fairly easy to design a *you fucking loose* encounter. And isn't there *The Tarasque* who is basically a *you fucking loose statblock* I am all for a *choose your fight* approach where you should definitely not mess with someone bigger/stronger especiully without a plan or a lot of explosives. However, I expect that PC can make it out of an *ordinary* fight (just make sure it's not a target shooting practice and put 1-2 PC on the ground). Then if the 13th gen newborns vampire want to fight the 5th gen prince, not my problem if they have to burn their character sheet afterwards. Finally, one of the best rpg out there is *10 candles* where you know from scratch that everyone will die> And isn’t there The Tarasque who is basically a you fucking loose statblock Mostly. They really bungled it in the 2014 statblock. Other editions gave it some combination of ranged attacks, regeneration, a way to cancel flight, and a burrow speed. In 2014, it had none of these. A level 5 Wizard could borrow a Repeating heavy crossbow from an Artificer, repeatedly cast Phantom Steed to stay out of its range, and take it down on its own. Or instead of a wizard, use an Aarakocra from Elemental Evil Player's Companion with 2 levels in Rogue (so it can learn Cunning Action), and it will be able to fly faster than the Tarrasque. Unless you use Chase rules. In 2024, they have a ranged attack and a burrow speed, and they're significantly faster. It's hard to just attack from a safe distance and they can always just head underground. But if you can get 150 feet in the air, you're at an impasse where neither can hurt the other. And a high-level party has a lot of crazy tools at their disposal. The problem isn't enemies that are too hard or too easy. The problem is the GM not knowing ahead of time which it will be.
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The official charactersheet for Caine: https://64.media.tumblr.com/e06763afdbed16a49a0146a2282002a4/tumblr_n6pj41Ch1s1qhuazoo1_540.jpgI like his weakness
Also shouldn't his sire be Lilith?
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It is actually bad game design in the sense that there really isn't a decent mechanic to escape monsters. 5.0 orcs, for example, had double the speed of the average PC with their dumbass free move action. The solution is rolling disengage as a series of skill checks (like World of Darkness would...) but then you have to explain how, exactly, a dude in full plate escapes a dragon."Have you seen Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?"
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Meh, I can make a Swara bastet / Tremere abomination with ranks in Celerity and mage powers and cybernetic arms from that one Pentex supplement who can attack 30 times with enchanted plasma cannons, doing 300d aggravated before Cain gets his first action.Caine congratulates you on making him laugh before killing you.
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.I feel like this is one of those "make sure people are on the same page before you start running the rpg". I've had players react very badly to their characters being maimed and stuff (a fairly normal Dark Heresy event), but I've also had some players want a severe tacticool experience. And some people want cozy vibes with some dice rolling. D&D does suffer from a lot of system/setting baggage as well as the expectation that the system works as well from level 1 to 20+. I want to play shadowrun again, for all its flaws
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.
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It's never the real god, just a physical avatar. There's still a lot of Batman vs Superman narrative horseshit in the idea though "Oh you surprised the guy who moves faster than most speedsters and can hear and see everything around him. Sure, okay, then he leaves and throws an asteroid he found within half a second from orbit before you're done blinking"D&D 3.5 characters can scale pretty high
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Inspired by frustrating conversation I had. For those curious, that was the statblock of Caine, father of the vampires.No one actually plays dnd like that though...
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Beat the campaign by forcing the DM to explain the logistics of how the monsters find their daily caloriesA wizard did it.
