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Meta Vibes is a new facebook AI video "creation" tool and tiktok like short form video feed.

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  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

    Disruptive technologies ... disrupt by changing the way people do things.

    And there are a lot of people who desperately want AI to be very disruptive.

    But, I've never seen so much top-down pushing to try to make this happen.

    Forcing people to use it at work. Adding it to applications.

    If people wanted an AI word possessor they would stop using google docs to have it, and THEN those apps would be forced to add it.

    We skipped that step.

    You know... the one where it's organically popular.

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    Part of the push is alarmism. So, even "anti-AI" ... "concerns" can overplay the usefulness of this set of technologies.

    And, I hate saying it but these are not totally useless bits of tech. It's just not the revolution we are being told it is. It's not good enough at doing what it claims for this to be true.

    If "vibes" is still around in two years I will be SHOCKED.

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      Part of the push is alarmism. So, even "anti-AI" ... "concerns" can overplay the usefulness of this set of technologies.

      And, I hate saying it but these are not totally useless bits of tech. It's just not the revolution we are being told it is. It's not good enough at doing what it claims for this to be true.

      If "vibes" is still around in two years I will be SHOCKED.

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      wrote last edited by futurebird@sauropods.win
      #8

      This is making me feel crazy, kind of like the crown of Saint Wenceslas. Which I keep finding people saying is "so beautiful" and I'm just like: no. no that is not true.

      But, hey, at least the crown of Saint Wenceslas is old. It's a real object from the distant past and that is a little glamorous and interesting.

      I keep saying "but it doesn't really work" and that keeps on ... not being an issue. But, for technology, "working" is kind of the whole point.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        This is making me feel crazy, kind of like the crown of Saint Wenceslas. Which I keep finding people saying is "so beautiful" and I'm just like: no. no that is not true.

        But, hey, at least the crown of Saint Wenceslas is old. It's a real object from the distant past and that is a little glamorous and interesting.

        I keep saying "but it doesn't really work" and that keeps on ... not being an issue. But, for technology, "working" is kind of the whole point.

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        And it's a little sad. Because it's not like there aren't a few dozen exciting use cases for LLMs and image generation engines.

        For example speech to text. Using an LLM to clean up dictation, which tends to be horrible, is pretty effective. What LLMs do well is find the most obvious answer, produce what is typical. Good for when you want to guess what someone said.

        But something so practical and modest isn't the imagined role for this tech.

        No. You must agree it will change everything.

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          And it's a little sad. Because it's not like there aren't a few dozen exciting use cases for LLMs and image generation engines.

          For example speech to text. Using an LLM to clean up dictation, which tends to be horrible, is pretty effective. What LLMs do well is find the most obvious answer, produce what is typical. Good for when you want to guess what someone said.

          But something so practical and modest isn't the imagined role for this tech.

          No. You must agree it will change everything.

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          @futurebird I agree *and* the mundane, low risk use cases don't make business sense because someone needs to buy a $50k+ GPU + cooling infrastructure, memory, cups, staff, just to run one of these models. It is a shame because if they had been focusing on solving some actual, mundane problems (like dictation) instead of world domination, they might have developed something that we won't have to empty the great lakes just to keep cool.

          What am I saying though... none of this stuff makes business sense. All these companies are losing money hand over fist. I am starting to think we are in the Wiley e coyote over a cliff part of the AI bubble

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          • xinniwX xinniw

            @futurebird I agree *and* the mundane, low risk use cases don't make business sense because someone needs to buy a $50k+ GPU + cooling infrastructure, memory, cups, staff, just to run one of these models. It is a shame because if they had been focusing on solving some actual, mundane problems (like dictation) instead of world domination, they might have developed something that we won't have to empty the great lakes just to keep cool.

            What am I saying though... none of this stuff makes business sense. All these companies are losing money hand over fist. I am starting to think we are in the Wiley e coyote over a cliff part of the AI bubble

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            @xinniw @futurebird One of the things I've gathered from Emily Bender is that we had made significant progress on automated voice transcription using (conventional) machine learning, which involved incorporating feedback for improving results. But the LLM stuff has been displacing it while producing worse results.

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            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

              And it's a little sad. Because it's not like there aren't a few dozen exciting use cases for LLMs and image generation engines.

              For example speech to text. Using an LLM to clean up dictation, which tends to be horrible, is pretty effective. What LLMs do well is find the most obvious answer, produce what is typical. Good for when you want to guess what someone said.

              But something so practical and modest isn't the imagined role for this tech.

              No. You must agree it will change everything.

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              Which brings me back to "meta vibes" ... normally a platform where people post original content can allow the platform owner to monetize advertising and data collection.

              With Vibes there is no new content, just recycled images generated by the platform itself. Will that really produce large audiences?

              Maybe for a moment at best, but it's very limited.

              The more consequential impact would seem to be getting more people to use AI to generate video keeping the servers humming. Making noise.

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                Which brings me back to "meta vibes" ... normally a platform where people post original content can allow the platform owner to monetize advertising and data collection.

                With Vibes there is no new content, just recycled images generated by the platform itself. Will that really produce large audiences?

                Maybe for a moment at best, but it's very limited.

                The more consequential impact would seem to be getting more people to use AI to generate video keeping the servers humming. Making noise.

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                It feels like the great push to make this into a moment of technical disruption has reached a new low of self reference. Because the other advantage of an "all AI" app is that none of the people who dislike AI will show up and be ... inconvenient.

                But how long can the jewel-toned wobbly hallucinations keep those who like them engaged? Where will the video generation engine get fresh images to keep it from growing stale?

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  If AI was really the wonderful creative tool it's sold as people would line up to pay for it. You wouldn't need to push it, you wouldn't need to give it away to boost up the usage numbers.

                  Imagine if it could really make, say a video that was what you wanted. Not something that's kind of like what you wanted that gives you motion sickness, but work of a quality of a master animator working with you for a month to get it right.

                  But it can't deliver.

                  This is what I keep coming back to.

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                  @futurebird Yea. THIS.

                  There are very specific novels I desperately want to read but can’t write (and don’t want to have to). And the people (perhaps just the person) who can write them, won’t write them.

                  Would I read those stories if AI could write them? There are lots of externalities and ethical issues that suggest that I shouldn’t.

                  But I don’t even have to make that moral calculus, because AI can’t do it in the first place.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    Disruptive technologies ... disrupt by changing the way people do things.

                    And there are a lot of people who desperately want AI to be very disruptive.

                    But, I've never seen so much top-down pushing to try to make this happen.

                    Forcing people to use it at work. Adding it to applications.

                    If people wanted an AI word possessor they would stop using google docs to have it, and THEN those apps would be forced to add it.

                    We skipped that step.

                    You know... the one where it's organically popular.

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                    @futurebird FOMO is powerful in tech investment.

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                    • Steve HoldenH Steve Holden

                      @futurebird FOMO is powerful in tech investment.

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                      @holdenweb

                      People are so lazy. Just research the companies and decide if they will be able to make money or not. Invest for five years minimum. Or get in a fund if you don't know what you are doing.

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        Disruptive technologies ... disrupt by changing the way people do things.

                        And there are a lot of people who desperately want AI to be very disruptive.

                        But, I've never seen so much top-down pushing to try to make this happen.

                        Forcing people to use it at work. Adding it to applications.

                        If people wanted an AI word possessor they would stop using google docs to have it, and THEN those apps would be forced to add it.

                        We skipped that step.

                        You know... the one where it's organically popular.

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                        > Forcing people to use it at work

                        @futurebird I worked for a company that would fire employees who didn't use AI. I'm a software developer, and while AI can offer some interesting benefits, my work has never been more efficient with AI.

                        I ended up lying, claiming that a large portion of the code I wrote was generated by AI. It was that or get fired. And oddly enough, management was satisfied with this lie.

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