I am very open to many ideas of fashion and even “anti-fashion” but I will always be critical of any mode of dress that manages to be high effort but low effect— fashion tendencies that don’t make the people sporting them happy or anyone who has to look at them. NYC is still very much a suit city. Even a three piece suit city in the fall and winter! but the imperative to have on a suit falls apart in the heat and formless expanses of dress shirts become all that is visible— it’s … it’s *frumpy*

The running fiction of this “style” is that you had on a jacket and tie but took them off— but it’s just a fiction that leaves all these guys looking half dressed.

The problem is that summer suit fabrics are all seen as too dandy and “on vacation” to wear to an office. So I understand the predicament. At least can it please not be a white shirt without a jacket?

And what is wrong with vests exactly?

The running fiction of this “style” is that you had on a jacket and tie but took them off— but it’s just a fiction that leaves all these guys looking half dressed.

The problem is that summer suit fabrics are all seen as too dandy and “on vacation” to wear to an office. So I understand the predicament. At least can it please not be a white shirt without a jacket?

And what is wrong with vests exactly?

@futurebird I could go on an entire tangent about how suit fabrics are also so often polyester or a admixture of whatever compressed so tight and thin because "bulky" is apparently a curse word where really a more loosely woven fabric breathes more... And how most men probably don't even wear a dress shirt in the right size because they're mass manufactured, and fit no one, and thus will not look nice on anyone after five minutes have passed!

But yes. Vests are good, and in theory any kind of linen vest could be made.

The running fiction of this “style” is that you had on a jacket and tie but took them off— but it’s just a fiction that leaves all these guys looking half dressed.

The problem is that summer suit fabrics are all seen as too dandy and “on vacation” to wear to an office. So I understand the predicament. At least can it please not be a white shirt without a jacket?

And what is wrong with vests exactly?

@futurebird but no one wears a suit on vacation, they're wearing jeans and a T-shirt (and maybe a blazer). Bring back seersucker!

Another solution is to give up on the suit and dress like someone from California. I can’t say I understand work dress from California— maybe someone could explain it?

@futurebird global warming has made suits obsolete. People will just have to give them up.

@llewelly togas?!?

I am very open to many ideas of fashion and even “anti-fashion” but I will always be critical of any mode of dress that manages to be high effort but low effect— fashion tendencies that don’t make the people sporting them happy or anyone who has to look at them. NYC is still very much a suit city. Even a three piece suit city in the fall and winter! but the imperative to have on a suit falls apart in the heat and formless expanses of dress shirts become all that is visible— it’s … it’s *frumpy*

@futurebird do you know about the Cool Biz and Super Cool Biz campaigns in Japan? The government tried to convince salary men to wear polo shirts so that they could reduce the energy usage of air conditioning in office buildings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Biz_campaign

@th @futurebird that’s an effective advertisement. I want to do cool biz like that person

It is spring: the balloon shirts are upon us. Men no longer wear suit jackets—they show up to work in tucked-in dress shirts, but no jackets, because it’s too warm.

However, since shirt stays, have been long been forgotten. As the day wears on, the tucked shirt billows outward, producing a silhouette not unlike a morel mushroom.

We will know no peace until weather grows colder and jackets return, or it becomes so hot that everyone is driven to short sleeves. Pray for us.