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Should a PvPvE game have to offer a PvE-only mode?
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My experience with PvPvE games is they tend to be incredibly toxic, with some people just trying to get started, and others picking on them for fun. I have several friends who vow not to play PvPvE games again after bad experiences in games like Last Oasis and World’s Adrift, although they were interested in playing both of those games in a PvE format. Personally I find the extra danger from considering other players “another type of enemy” to be interesting. But also those types of games tend to breed to most toxic communities.Not just your experience, all of the games I've seen have a steady pulse of reviews about giving up due to of older players shitting on newbies, with devs silently endorsing it or having their hands tied by management because either "that's the way it's meant to be played" or they have a microtransactions shop and this toxicity encourages petty rage spending to catch up. And it works, because despite the mixed or barely positive reviews, these games still enjoy a steady stream of players enjoying the cycle of abuse. I'd consider it an exploitation of the "do unto others what was done unto me" psychological thing we humans tend to have going on.
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?Up to the devs. There's no objective should or shouldn't it's just a matter of opinion. Would it be nice? Yea. I get not wanting to play a game where you have to worry about coming into conflict with other players. I don't like those types of games either. I also don't buy them.
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I am talking about using mods / "cheating" in a game that has an online function. If you mod Elden Ring, youre most likely playing offline and not ruining other player's experience. But you can't mod/cheat a game that is online only without ruining other player's experience.
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?The game was originally planned to be a PvE only game, but the game wasn't fun according to the data by their playtesters There's work that is involved in properly making and balancing and creating content for a different mode. You design the entire game around how you play it, in those case PvPvE. So no, they shouldn't. And neither should devs be forced to make a game they don't want to make. If you remove the PvP from the game as-is, you will lose out on a lot of what the game is supposed to be, and the interactions and moment-to-moment gameplay you have. Not to mention you're gonna split the playerbase which is rarely healthy for a multiplayer game. There's a reason PvP is included, and that's because it a straight up impossible to implement the sort of dynamism and unpredictability PvP adds. There's not a lot of games like Arc Raiders, and it is the kind of game that I want. Not every game is, or should be made, for everybody. That's how you get the sort of environment of undifferentiated AAA games where they all look and play the same all designed by committee to appeal to the greatest amount of possible to earn as much as possible
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?Literally can only be improved by it. The only people it hurts are people who want to do PVP with players who *don't* want to do PVP, and I'd rather that kind of scumbag not play the games I play in the first place
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?Pretty sure Lazerpig made a 20min rant video about this exact topic, specifically regarding why Sea Of Thieves sucked as a result of its forced-PvP for PvPers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGWOgMcMJ8c
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?Everyone has already given great answers, so I’m going a bit off-topic. I recommend checking out [Forever Winter](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2828860/The_Forever_Winter/) for a PvE experience similar to Arc Raiders. Read the reviews, try it, refund under 2 hours played if it’s not for you
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Everyone has already given great answers, so I’m going a bit off-topic. I recommend checking out [Forever Winter](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2828860/The_Forever_Winter/) for a PvE experience similar to Arc Raiders. Read the reviews, try it, refund under 2 hours played if it’s not for you
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?
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My experience with PvPvE games is they tend to be incredibly toxic, with some people just trying to get started, and others picking on them for fun. I have several friends who vow not to play PvPvE games again after bad experiences in games like Last Oasis and World’s Adrift, although they were interested in playing both of those games in a PvE format. Personally I find the extra danger from considering other players “another type of enemy” to be interesting. But also those types of games tend to breed to most toxic communities.The problem is that they're beyond another type of enemy. There's a a sizeable portion of players that loves just killing other players, not to loot them (because they're nebvies, there's nothing to loot), not to defend something, or whatever, just to relish in the carnage of helpless others. I'm like your friends, I just never play a game if there's any PVP involved. It's not worth it. I play to have fun, not to be a perpetual victim.
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I've had my eye on Forever Winter for a little while, but the mixed reviews put me off it. Also, I really like Arc Raiders' aesthetic.I honestly think FW is a better game than Arc, but with a ton of janky more. Beung a small indie team, they can't compare in terms of polish, but the vision and the work they've been putting into the game are a great sign of what's to come. With ARC, although I do somewhat trust Embark, I'm not sure they have a good vision for it.
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?It's complicated, but I think no. But maybe they could have certain maps where it's PVE. I've recently played the pve only fork of The Cycle Frontier, another pvevp extraction shooter that got shut down a few years ago, and the pve only mode is considerably easier, to the point where the tension from the full game is not present. So a game designed to be PvEvP would probably feel soulless without part of its intended game design.
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?I don’t want to tell others what to do with their art, I would certainly appreciate that. For every PvPvE game if they replaced the human opponents with NPCs I would probably be happy. I avoid PvP games. There is enough toxicity in the world without willingly subjecting myself to something that has been specifically created to generate toxic situations and behavior.
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They don't have to, but having one would significantly increase the chances of the genre being successful. All of the games in the genre that don't have a PvE mode see high success for less than a year before player numbers fall below 10k average players. The only really exception is Tarkov, which is basically the Fornite of the genre, except it actually was the first of the genre unlike Fortnite. ARC Raiders should have one in particular because it was originally supposed to be a coop PvE game, and was forced into its current genre by Nexon.
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People cheat way too much, and will exploit whenever it's PvP and it sucks the fun out of it entirely. I don't even bother anymore.
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Arc Raiders had a free playtest this weekend, and some players are arguing that the game needs a PvE-only mode. In the game players are tasked with scavenging resources from an open map infested with enemy robots alongside other players, with players not in your group effectively being another type of enemy. This, of course, has some players saying that fighting enemy robots is enough, that they don't need the extra stress of having to fight off other players too. The pro-PvP players are, of course, saying that this is what the game is, and if you don't like it you should go play something else. It's not like that's never been done before. Sea of Thieves is another PvPvE game, and not too long ago it too got a PvE-only mode. What do you say about this? Should a game that wants to be both PvE and PvP also offer exclusive modes?Sure if it's either limited progression/loot, or seperate progression entirely. People will just farm on low risk PvE missions for high tier resources and upgrade to end game gear. I'll be honest, I'm not sure how Sea of Thieves handles this. The Arc (name of the robots) can be challenging but they are also easy to pick off at range. Maybe if the arcs were stronger in PvE? This then defeats the purpose of appealing to an even more casual crowd. People were already calling for Arc nerfs. The devs originally pitched this game as a co-op PvE game akin to something like Helldivers 2. Their monetization model is practically the same to HD2. They decided to swap to PvPVE claiming it just wasn't fun though many speculate Nexon, their publisher/owner, had a say in it. I have doubts Nexon influenced the gameplay but Nexon is Nexon afterall. From my experience playing the tech tests and latest server slam, it's real easy to avoid PvP and only fight the Arc if you so choose. You'll run into players eventually but I've had an easy time making friends with strangers. Last server slam had more PvP due to limited upgrades available. I'm not opposed to a PvE only mode if it meant the game is still playable after the servers shut down.
