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Valve Issues Cease And Desist To Counter-Strike: Classic Offensive Mod Team After Previously Giving Approval, Shutting Down 8 Years Of Development
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is it a lame decision? valve was okay with the project, until the devs used a method in the closed source part of source to do something. Valve then asked them to not do that, so the dev then implemented an even worse method than the first, which Valve than C&D altogether. valve had 0 problems with the project, other than a very specific implementation they did with source engine, was asked to fix it, but chose not to do it.
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This got rejected from Steam in January and the C&D was in March, but in between that Valve updated their Source SDK to add all TF2 source code, so it's not like they've completely anti-mod. As usual, Valve doesn't communicate with anyone, so who knows what's going on there.
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Ah I remember hearing about some jabronies using leaked code, I guess this is the same bunch?I don't think so. They deny it, so who knows. There's also the exploit allegations, that were mentioned in this thread, but there's just no source for anything.
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Yeah. Did something happen to GabeN?He gotta buy a seventh yacht
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Source? None of that's in the article.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1hywi0y/counterstrike_classic_offensive_app_has_been/m6l6q3i/ is an exampleFor all I can tell, that's "just a guy" on reddit saying something. That's not a reliable source. His claims are also in direct contradiction to what the mod team claims. I don't know why anyone would instinctively trust his claims over the mod teams. He claims Valve reached out to them and said "Don't use this exploit", Where as the mod team says "No one from Valve has made any requests regarding the mod at all". As far as I know, Valve is notorious for just not communicating and do whatever they want to do. Too big to care I guess. They're a money printing company.
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For all I can tell, that's "just a guy" on reddit saying something. That's not a reliable source. His claims are also in direct contradiction to what the mod team claims. I don't know why anyone would instinctively trust his claims over the mod teams. He claims Valve reached out to them and said "Don't use this exploit", Where as the mod team says "No one from Valve has made any requests regarding the mod at all". As far as I know, Valve is notorious for just not communicating and do whatever they want to do. Too big to care I guess. They're a money printing company.why didn't they shut it down in January then. there's WAY more to the story than this. They gave the dev 8 years to develop this. and Valve already has a historical track record of letting other devs work on their IP (Nvidia making RTX remasters of valve games, Valve LITERALLY letting the Black Mesa devs basically sell half life 1 remastered on THEIR STOREFRONT.). You cannot absolutely trust the devs words either entirely. the fact that there are other users who believe the story of the hacky work around [even when the announcements in other pages](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kh6z1e/classic_offensive_is_cancelled_after_8_years_of/) can only exist if theres a shred of truth in it, or you think valve is legitmately having a disinformation campaign, because these users have nothing to gain from for a free mod being canceled. I'm not remotely saying valve is a good person in this situation, but you're giving the devs way more leniency than they currently deserve.
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This is why when you get permission, where you must plan for a decade of work, and they are saying yes, you get them to say in perpetuity and non-revokeable.They did get permission 7 years ago. Valve gave it the OK.
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They did get permission 7 years ago. Valve gave it the OK.
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Or the modders violated the rights given to them.
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This is why when you get permission, where you must plan for a decade of work, and they are saying yes, you get them to say in perpetuity and non-revokeable.
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are there any open source fps that are similar to cs, as in somewhat realistic theme and not like xonotic
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This post did not contain any content.Tell them to fuck off, and release it anyway.
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why didn't they shut it down in January then. there's WAY more to the story than this. They gave the dev 8 years to develop this. and Valve already has a historical track record of letting other devs work on their IP (Nvidia making RTX remasters of valve games, Valve LITERALLY letting the Black Mesa devs basically sell half life 1 remastered on THEIR STOREFRONT.). You cannot absolutely trust the devs words either entirely. the fact that there are other users who believe the story of the hacky work around [even when the announcements in other pages](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kh6z1e/classic_offensive_is_cancelled_after_8_years_of/) can only exist if theres a shred of truth in it, or you think valve is legitmately having a disinformation campaign, because these users have nothing to gain from for a free mod being canceled. I'm not remotely saying valve is a good person in this situation, but you're giving the devs way more leniency than they currently deserve.They "gave them 8 years"? What do you mean by that exactly? There was a time limit they were working under that I'm not aware of? I never said their side is 100% true. I'm sure there are some nuances. But as said. Valve is notorious for not communicating so being blindsided by them doesn't sound strange. And mate. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean there has to be some truth to it. Some people believe the eart is flat. You think there's any truth to that? Someone "hacking" files or systems doesn't always mean what you think it does. Naughty Dog "hacked" PS1 to create crash bandicoot. Just means they gained knowledge in how the hardware works. Not that their game only works on "hacked" hardware. So until I hear anything from valve. I'm inclined to believe the mod team. Based on valves previous interactions with their community.
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They "gave them 8 years"? What do you mean by that exactly? There was a time limit they were working under that I'm not aware of? I never said their side is 100% true. I'm sure there are some nuances. But as said. Valve is notorious for not communicating so being blindsided by them doesn't sound strange. And mate. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean there has to be some truth to it. Some people believe the eart is flat. You think there's any truth to that? Someone "hacking" files or systems doesn't always mean what you think it does. Naughty Dog "hacked" PS1 to create crash bandicoot. Just means they gained knowledge in how the hardware works. Not that their game only works on "hacked" hardware. So until I hear anything from valve. I'm inclined to believe the mod team. Based on valves previous interactions with their community.less that there was a time limit, but it was a project that was worked on for a long time, and had on and off discussions throughout the development cycle of the game > Someone “hacking” files or systems doesn’t always mean what you think it does. Naughty Dog “hacked” PS1 to create crash bandicoot. Just means they gained knowledge in how the hardware works. Not that their game only works on “hacked” hardware. they point out theirselves in August 2021, that they were using a solutionthat breaks Valves TOS before later replacing it later in 2022. Its evidence that there was on and off times where what theyre doing was skirting what valve says was okay. > So until I hear anything from valve. I’m inclined to believe the mod team. Based on valves previous interactions with their community. you believe the mod team despite there are other games who have successfully worked with valve and actually have fully recreated the entire game they made and actively sell on their storefront for actual money? again im not saying valve are in the clear, but the devs clearly says it so themselves they have throughout the process, broke the TOS and you're still inclined to believe that theyre not hiding anything else? I don't see it as a black and white issue, rather a situation that I can't trust anyone because only one side of the story has been said, by a side that doesn't necessarily have the cleanest history.
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less that there was a time limit, but it was a project that was worked on for a long time, and had on and off discussions throughout the development cycle of the game > Someone “hacking” files or systems doesn’t always mean what you think it does. Naughty Dog “hacked” PS1 to create crash bandicoot. Just means they gained knowledge in how the hardware works. Not that their game only works on “hacked” hardware. they point out theirselves in August 2021, that they were using a solutionthat breaks Valves TOS before later replacing it later in 2022. Its evidence that there was on and off times where what theyre doing was skirting what valve says was okay. > So until I hear anything from valve. I’m inclined to believe the mod team. Based on valves previous interactions with their community. you believe the mod team despite there are other games who have successfully worked with valve and actually have fully recreated the entire game they made and actively sell on their storefront for actual money? again im not saying valve are in the clear, but the devs clearly says it so themselves they have throughout the process, broke the TOS and you're still inclined to believe that theyre not hiding anything else? I don't see it as a black and white issue, rather a situation that I can't trust anyone because only one side of the story has been said, by a side that doesn't necessarily have the cleanest history.
