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PirateSoftware Leaves OffBrand Games as Stop Killing Games Reaches Goal
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I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured. I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don't already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects). Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they're receptive to it, because that's a lot more constructive in my opinion. You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?Well, you've got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there. ... But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic... and, maybe I've just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older.... the way I see it is 'cultured' is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where... everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition. I guess my use of the term is also coming across as... meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don't mean it in that way. There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with ... some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of 'cultured'. And on its own... there's no shame in that at all... this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I'd need to explicitly say it. If you don't know how to say a word, there's no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that. Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, 'canon' way to say it), and then you go 'oh, ok, thanks!' ... Anyway: Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured... that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it. I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett... are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works. So if you haven't seen Waiting for Godot... thats a part of culture you haven't experienced. Thats what I mean by uncultured. ... Ok, as for actual recommendations: www.youtube.com/watch?v=izX5dIzI2RE Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel... And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play! This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland... not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast. Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay... at least as an introduction. There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha! [www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot](www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot)
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I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured. I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don't already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects). Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they're receptive to it, because that's a lot more constructive in my opinion. You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?Well, you've got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there. ... But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic... and, maybe I've just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older.... the way I see it is 'cultured' is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where... everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition. I guess my use of the term is also coming across as... meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don't mean it in that way. There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with ... some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of 'cultured'. And on its own... there's no shame in that at all... this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I'd need to explicitly say it. If you don't know how to say a word, there's no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that. Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, 'canon' way to say it), and then you go 'oh, ok, thanks!' ... Anyway: Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured... that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it. I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett... are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works. So if you haven't seen Waiting for Godot... thats a part of culture you haven't experienced. Thats what I mean by uncultured. ... Ok, as for actual recommendations: www.youtube.com/watch?v=izX5dIzI2RE Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel... And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play! This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland... not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast. Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay... at least as an introduction. There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha! [www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot](www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot)
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People pointed out in his comments section but he did not apologize or mention for 10 months. When the video came out saying he was wrong he doubled down and said he is actually right. And then kept doubling down.Again, not taking the "he's definitely wrong" stance at face value. I'll decide for myself. Reasonable people can disagree and both br "right" from their perspectives. Regardless, who gives a fuck if one person is wrong and doubles down on being wrong when they have no authority to stop this movement (clearly, as it has been quite successful regardless of his opinion). That shit happens 1 million times a day on the internet, and often from big names too. The facts is that, generally, he is an ally to the gaming community, particularly for indie gaming, and this is in-fighting bullshit. > He also lied and said community is attacking him to see if that will hurt the movement. Community in fact did not attack him. They are attacking him now, here, publically dragging him through the dirt, and I've seen it elsewhere as well for the last week or two. What are you talking about? Why are we talking about him now if not becuase people are pissed off and hating on him?
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Okay, as much as I approve of mocking bigots, I didn't pronounce "Godot" properly for a few years because I had never heard the name spoken before. I'd only ever read it. Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it's an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing. Typically, people receptive to learning will try to correct themselves when it's pointed out. I'm very self conscious of this because I'm awful at pronouncing words. But for folks like this, yeah, mock the hell out of them.
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So... I actually tinker around in Godot. Whilst looking around to see if anyone had, or was developing an extension I would find useful... I discovered 'Redot'. Basically, there is a small but very vocal group of people who are very, very angry that a Godot community manager made some pro LGBT, inclusive twitter posts, turned that into a culture war flare up on twitter... And then forked Godot. To make the anti-woke version of Godot. Their youtube channel has, as best I can tell, absolutely no descriptions of any substantial differences from... you know, an actual game engine feature set perspective. Beyond of course being behind Godot now, lol. What they do have is a bunch of rants about politics and edrama for their 'non-political' game engine. Also... they pronounce Redot as Re-Dot, hard t. Godot is Godot as in Waiting for Godot. Go - Dough. God - Oh. ... of course these idiots are literally uncultured and have never read the screenplay or seen the stage play, so they have no idea how to pronounce the word. smdhPerhaps Thor is Pozzo.
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Why do you people care?
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Why do you people care?
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Curiosity
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Ok, I'll look more into that to better understand if that is the case. But even if he was wrong about everything, why is such a misunderstanding worth the drama and backlash? Everybody is truly up in arms over what seems like pretty mild criticism even if that criticism is all mistaken. Especially if it is all mistaken, really."Not only do I not support this, I will go out of my way to tell people not to" "This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass" That's not mild criticism in my world. About something that he did not even understand in the first place as many things he complained about was things the initiative literally said they were NOT trying to do. But hey. Sometimes people can be wrong. We make mistakes. But when someone refuses to acknowledge they were mistaken and instead double down. That's when people get upset.
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Curiosity
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As far as I've seen, the only thing PirateSoftware did "wrong" was point out some unintentional consequences that would fall on indie developers given the language used in SKG as written, and get a bit personal in his criticism of Ross Scott, and everyone has lost their minds on the dude. Idgaf about personal beef between creators and I agree with his concerns for indie developers. Even if I didn't, he's said nothing do inflammatory as to earn all this stood drama. Chill the fuck out.So "eat my entire ass" is not inflammatory now? Good to know. Even of he did not say that, if he really wanted to give positive criticism he wouldn't advocate against it entirely. Your happy medium is correct, he was 100% against it from the beginning. Not coming from anger or anything like that, just pointing out that you implied he was in the happy medium when he isn't.
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Honestly, very smart and humble move, he certainly got hit with a ton of bad press for his opposition to the petition and that would have impacted the game studio's sales.
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Again, not taking the "he's definitely wrong" stance at face value. I'll decide for myself. Reasonable people can disagree and both br "right" from their perspectives. Regardless, who gives a fuck if one person is wrong and doubles down on being wrong when they have no authority to stop this movement (clearly, as it has been quite successful regardless of his opinion). That shit happens 1 million times a day on the internet, and often from big names too. The facts is that, generally, he is an ally to the gaming community, particularly for indie gaming, and this is in-fighting bullshit. > He also lied and said community is attacking him to see if that will hurt the movement. Community in fact did not attack him. They are attacking him now, here, publically dragging him through the dirt, and I've seen it elsewhere as well for the last week or two. What are you talking about? Why are we talking about him now if not becuase people are pissed off and hating on him?Yeah people take accountability tho. He did not say "oh sorry I did not read the slides where it specifically said the movement is NOT about what I thought." He just insisted he is right. Also for the attacking part I wad referring to the accused reviewbombing of his studio/publisher. Sorry for not being clear.
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Yeah people take accountability tho. He did not say "oh sorry I did not read the slides where it specifically said the movement is NOT about what I thought." He just insisted he is right. Also for the attacking part I wad referring to the accused reviewbombing of his studio/publisher. Sorry for not being clear.
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That doesn’t make sense
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So "eat my entire ass" is not inflammatory now? Good to know. Even of he did not say that, if he really wanted to give positive criticism he wouldn't advocate against it entirely. Your happy medium is correct, he was 100% against it from the beginning. Not coming from anger or anything like that, just pointing out that you implied he was in the happy medium when he isn't.
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So I’m confused what exactly did he dislike about the movement? Seems like a solid one to me.
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"Not only do I not support this, I will go out of my way to tell people not to" "This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass" That's not mild criticism in my world. About something that he did not even understand in the first place as many things he complained about was things the initiative literally said they were NOT trying to do. But hey. Sometimes people can be wrong. We make mistakes. But when someone refuses to acknowledge they were mistaken and instead double down. That's when people get upset.> "This initiative can eat my ass, the whole thing. It can eat my entire ass" Do you have the clip/video source of this quote? I didn't see him say that in his critique videos I watched. I need context to judge it. But at face value, I would still call that within the realms of normal criticism yes. He disagrees with the basis of the initiative. And disagreement doesn't mean that one or the other party is necessarily mistaken or that they are maliciously refusing to admit their mistake if unconvinced. They can just disagree. And even if they were being malicious or ignorant or too embarassed to admit their mistake, so what? Just don't engage, or argue in good faith. No need to swat the guy, make death threats, make weird personal attacks against him, or drag his name through the dirt across the entire internet because he is wrong or doesn't suck it up and tell you that you are right.
