These are kinda wild takes. The gaming industry for i die companies is wild and expansive in a way I dont remember 20 years ago. Was I just naive? Amd I naive now, and the guy who made a game on his own and uploaded it to steam was really just part of a large shell company? I mean youre comparing these to the multinational coorporations that are ruining our environment, and healthcare (in the US). I dont feel like theyre the same? Maybe there needs to be tweaks so that the extra burdens dont inhibit small companies, but do the big ones. Maybe thats already in it, but its hard for me to take it seriously when youre comparing customer's desire for a good product with a child working in a mine.

Oh no, not putting this into a conspiracy. Not at all saying Thor is part of a large shell company. The issue I am pointing to is how people (Thor included) defend and fight for those same multinational corporations. Hell even you by belittling one aspect of enshitification as lesser and not worth any attention is not doing any good. Remember that we can do more then one thing at a time.

Clip of his response: https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7 Video summary (timestamped at where he just trashtalks the movement for a solid minute) https://youtu.be/R-RaQZPzhqU?t=494 I don't know if there's any real good TLDR for this situation, here's the best I could find: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-controversy-timeline-events WoW controversy part https://deltiasgaming.com/pirate-software-world-of-warcraft-drama-explained/ There's a couple of other stuff like abuse allegations against him and other minor controversies like cheating in puzzle games. You can look those up if you want. Also, for context, I do not condone any of the harm sent his way. I think what he's done is pretty scummy, but he and his team doesn't deserve being sent death threats and swatted

I doubt “the context” is that he started the stream, said "eat my entire ass" and stopped it. I bet there was hours of ramblings, like streamers do. And taking three sentences out of hours of ramblings is almost a definition of taking shit out of context. The irony is, the video you linked is actually walking you to conclusion. Asking for context and sources is normal, listening to a video with quotes chopped together, and believing it with no more questioning is not.

The guy took something he didn't understand and shat all over it to his audience, when told he didn't understand it he did nothing at all to correct his mistake or even admit one had been made. And as a result he's being clowned on. And people are finding more and more things that follow this like of behavior from him and clowning him on that too. If you act like an asshole. You'll get treated like one. There's a reason no one was talking shit about Bob Ross.

Fair enough. I guess Injust hope small businesses can generally be held to a different standard, since small businesses generally are flatter and promote more leveled economic growth.

For reference, this is the first time I've watched anything by PirateSoftware, and I've only heard about him in the past week or so. So I'm coming at this from a pretty neutral position and as someone who generally supports SKG (I'm not in Europe so I can't sign, but I would if I could). > Clip of his response Looks like he's responding more to online bullying, not the petition. The only time he mentions Ross at all (and not even by name) is him giving sarcastic support (hope petition gets everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted), which underscores his view that the petition is overly vague. The video summary is useful, it looks like PirateSoftware completely missed what the petition was for. I've read the petition and watched the supporting materials, and it's clear to me that the focus is to make games (SP or MP) continue to work in some fashion for those that bought it after support ends. But it seems PirateSoftware somehow misinterpreted it as "all games must be playable SP after support ends," which isn't the case at all. Using the WoW example, players just want to keep doing raids w/ friends after support ends, and they're happy to host the server themselves. > here’s the best I could find I think that's the one I read. Here's my takeaway, I obviously haven't confirmed everything (I'd rather not dig through his videos) > WoW controversy part Idk, that situation looks dumb. I don't know who the group leader was, but here's how it seems to have unfolded: 1. someone says run (beginning of the clip), so he runs 2. on the way out he exhausts his manna trying to save the group 3. someone else says to come back because they're getting wrecked 4. seconds later that same person says "just run" I don't think there's a good outcome there. Either he returns to help the person getting wrecked and likely dies (I'm not familiar w/ WoW, but it seems he's out of resources), or he runs and doesn't die, and there are conflicting commands from the group. It was a tense situation and the group was looking for someone to blame. The article mentions the group worked it out. > I think what he’s done is pretty scummy Here's how I see it, taking things from PirateSoftware's perspective: 1. misinterprets the petition (honest mistake IMO), probably because Ross Scott isn't some suave presenter and jumped to conclusions (i.e. this is just some angry gamer who threw something together); that last part is absolutely speculation on my part, drawn from my own initial reaction 2. got a ton of unrelated backlash, like people digging through his history to defame him, death threats, etc 3. he doesn't see his error, and instead sees Ross Scott as the unwitting leader of a horde of angry gamers who are going to accidentally destroy a chunk of his industry What _needed_ to happen is for PirateSoftware and Ross Scott to jump on a call to clarify the petition. It's absolutely fine if he still thinks it's a bad petition, but at least ensure you understand what it's talking about so you can elucidate reasons for opposing it. I think PirateSoftware is your typical self-centered streamer/YouTuber. He probably didn't watch Ross Scott's rebuttal, probably because the community's reaction left a bad taste in his mouth. On the flipside, one of the streamers _I_ like also initially rejected the petition (not sure if he changed his mind, I don't watch him all that often), probably because the rational initial reaction to proposed laws is to reject them. I think it's an unfortunate situation. I wish Ross Scott was more charismatic. I wish PirateSoftware didn't misread the petition. I wish they jumped on a call to work through the details, which would be especially valuable to Ross Scott to get the feedback of an industry insider. A lot of unfortunate things happened, but I _still_ don't think PirateSoftware is a bad person, I think he's just a typical streamer who tends to jump to conclusions (easy to do when doing things live) and is a bit self-centered (which you need to be as a streamer IMO). Anyway, that's my take given the limited amount of time I've spent on this.

I run a small business and agree we are the real driver of good economic growth (not a death spiral of infinite profit). However I just want to play by the same rules as the big guys, different standards for different sized businesses are kinda how we got here.

It was a many hour stream yes. But no that is the context, other then Thor just getting it flat out wrong and then doubling down there is not much more of that part of this story. And if grabbing the first video covering it on youtube is "walking ... to [a] conclusion" then I guess so is this very thing I am typing. I guess we should all just stop what we are doing until someone digs up the original livestream in its totality, then at that point we can argue about if it really is the *true* copy..... Come on the dood in question here does not dispute that is what he said, just the other day he thrust the knife in one more time.