In a million years which is more likely to still be around?
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@futurebird @Peace I would, incidentally, be entirely unsurprised if crows figured out agriculture next month.
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@futurebird @Peace Maybe we *are* the crows' agriculture...
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I mean... kind of. But there were some things about the way that the "hive mind" was portrayed in those books that annoyed me.
The mind of the superorganism is emergent from individual minds. It's not some central clearing house controlled by the queen or the "big brain bug"
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Some of the best portrayals of eusocial insects in all of SF.
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If ants didn't already have agriculture (selective breeding of scale insects, mass production of fungi, shepherding) people would say "how could an ant ever develop agriculture? Crows have bigger brains and THEY don't have agriculture."
If ants didn't build sewer systems, which some do, people would say the same thing. Or if they didn't practice medical amputation.
Ants achieve these things without knowing what they are. In the ant way.
It will be the same for space travel.
I want to say a bit more about how ants participate in selective breeding. Most people are aware of the symbiotic relationship between ants and aphids. The ants protect the aphids from predators, the aphids process plant sugars for the ants. Over millions of years many species of ants and aphids have come to depend on each other in this way.
But is that *really* "selective breeding" I think most people would say it isn't. 1/
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I want to say a bit more about how ants participate in selective breeding. Most people are aware of the symbiotic relationship between ants and aphids. The ants protect the aphids from predators, the aphids process plant sugars for the ants. Over millions of years many species of ants and aphids have come to depend on each other in this way.
But is that *really* "selective breeding" I think most people would say it isn't. 1/
It's not like the ants are deciding which aphids will make the best cattle then selecting those for the next generation.
But this more typical and casual form of symbiosis finds a kind of refinement in the ant genus Acropyga.
These hypogaeic ants almost never leave their underground nests due to their ancient and highly refined relationship with several species of mealybugs.
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It's not like the ants are deciding which aphids will make the best cattle then selecting those for the next generation.
But this more typical and casual form of symbiosis finds a kind of refinement in the ant genus Acropyga.
These hypogaeic ants almost never leave their underground nests due to their ancient and highly refined relationship with several species of mealybugs.
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When a young ant queen is ready to leave her colony to try to found a new nest she selects a mealybug from the many her sisters are tending in their underground galleries. The mealybugs live on the roots of trees and the ants dig out spaces so they can feed and reproduce. They thrive on the sugars from the mealybugs and cull their herds for protein.
A young queen ant *chooses* which mealybug to take on her flight. They like larger females, ideally pregnant. 3/
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When a young ant queen is ready to leave her colony to try to found a new nest she selects a mealybug from the many her sisters are tending in their underground galleries. The mealybugs live on the roots of trees and the ants dig out spaces so they can feed and reproduce. They thrive on the sugars from the mealybugs and cull their herds for protein.
A young queen ant *chooses* which mealybug to take on her flight. They like larger females, ideally pregnant. 3/
The evolution of the mealybugs has been shaped by the choices of ants in the same way that goat, sheep and cows have been shaped by the choices of humans.
This isn't just symbiosis. It's animal husbandry.
And it's absurdly effective too! These ants never need to leave their nests to forage.
This is what I mean about ants having achieved the same kind of complex solutions we celebrate in human history...just in their own way.
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In a million years which is more likely to still be around?
@futurebird A total aside but my aunt is a primate.
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@futurebird A total aside but my aunt is a primate.
The queen of my carpenter colony had a prime mate who was an ant.
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In a million years which is more likely to still be around?
@futurebird primates are the 4th most successful order of mammals with 376–524 extant species. They have been around for about 70 million years. Their body plan is highly generalized which makes them great at adapting to a variety of environments.
so in conclusion, ants.
