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Why are modern games obsessed with parrying? | Semi-Ramblomatic

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    The guy who made the video (Ben Croshaw) is a long time game journalist. I often prefer written things over videos as well but he's not padding his run time with a story about his grandma before he gets to the recipe or anything like that. The above bullet points get to the gist of the content but the rest of the video has examples and deeper explanations
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    Semi-Ramblomatic is also his long-form content. Fully Ramblomatic, which used to run as Zero Punctuation, is even more concise.
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      Semi-Ramblomatic is also his long-form content. Fully Ramblomatic, which used to run as Zero Punctuation, is even more concise.
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      Glad to see second wind is doing so well. I haven't been back to the escapist since the exodus.
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        Glad to see second wind is doing so well. I haven't been back to the escapist since the exodus.
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        There was bad drama last year that cost them some goodwill and support, but overall they are doing well as far as I know.
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          My summary: * Parrying has gotten very popular. * It works fairly well. * Not everyone wants to play a game that relies on responding to cues. * It doesn't give a feel of being able to control combat. * Overuse of one mechanic can make it unappealing.
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          >It doesn't give a feel of being able to control combat. I feel this way too often. Some combat become a simon says moment. Later I think replayability is reduced when bosses are designed to strict - and parryinh for bug damage is a huge influence here.
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          • P poppichew
            I mean, I am all for failure as a whole. Cause it really is true what they say about the growth being in the action of failure. I also like tactics, but I like to have the space to think on the tactics I am enduring. I think it's cool that a game introduced that in a very action-oriented way. There seems to be a lot of creativity in the creatures as well, which I like. I will say as I get older my reaction time has lessened even worse than I'd say it originally was. I never played shooters or anything, although I had friends go ham on them. I think perhaps it might be an incongruity with what I want out of a game with swords x boss battles. The game I think of when I think of big papa boss battles is Shadow of the Colossus. Cause it's pretty much the only one I have ever played like that. I feel the game though, while exciting, is actually pretty slowly paced. Which makes it more accessible to me. Most "sword" games though, I want to play like a dumb-dumb. I wanna hack, slash, and feel all powerful. Smash everything in sight (Dynasty Warriors). I think the two clashing might also be making it difficult for me to pick it up. But I guess the third thing is that pretty much any time I have grabbed a game that is hyper popular nowadays I don't really seem to like it much. That might be an age thing too, idk. Might be a lot of things, but I generally think I might not be the audience for most AAA games. In fact, I know I am not =P!
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            That's totally fair! I'm very much of the opinion that while From's soulslikes are great and much less insurmountable (a word I choose carefully โ€” they _are_ difficult, but they can be learned) than their reputation suggests, that still doesn't mean that everyone will actually find them fun. If the combat isn't to your taste then that's an entirely reasonable position. Elden Ring is particularly demanding in terms of the pace of combat compared to the Souls games as well Shadow of the Colossus is such an incredible game. I think it was the first game I played that showed me that games could do more than just being fun to play. It wasn't the first to attempt to do that, certainly, but it was the first to show that to me and it has stuck in my memory ever since. The soundtrack is phenomenal too. Have you seen that the dev team teased a new game late last year?
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              That's totally fair! I'm very much of the opinion that while From's soulslikes are great and much less insurmountable (a word I choose carefully โ€” they _are_ difficult, but they can be learned) than their reputation suggests, that still doesn't mean that everyone will actually find them fun. If the combat isn't to your taste then that's an entirely reasonable position. Elden Ring is particularly demanding in terms of the pace of combat compared to the Souls games as well Shadow of the Colossus is such an incredible game. I think it was the first game I played that showed me that games could do more than just being fun to play. It wasn't the first to attempt to do that, certainly, but it was the first to show that to me and it has stuck in my memory ever since. The soundtrack is phenomenal too. Have you seen that the dev team teased a new game late last year?
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              Get out! I was thinking lately that I wish they would (re)release all of their games again so I can finally play the damn game with the bird-dog. A long time ago, a friend showed me a trailer for that game before it came out. I missed it, and maybe with them releasing a new game they might consider putting the old ones up for funding? I don't care how awful the controls or the ai is, their games blow my mind, just like you said =)! Thanks for the heads up! I wonder if it'll end up being an Playstation exclusive, or if they'll open the channels up a bit more?
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                When dabbling in fencing and (watching) Historical European Martial Arts, I find parrying pretty satisfying IRL.
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                Somewhat related, parrying system is almost a requirement in many VR games to prevent melee from devolving into just twisting your wrist fast to dice everything in front of you.
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                  Get out! I was thinking lately that I wish they would (re)release all of their games again so I can finally play the damn game with the bird-dog. A long time ago, a friend showed me a trailer for that game before it came out. I missed it, and maybe with them releasing a new game they might consider putting the old ones up for funding? I don't care how awful the controls or the ai is, their games blow my mind, just like you said =)! Thanks for the heads up! I wonder if it'll end up being an Playstation exclusive, or if they'll open the channels up a bit more?
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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHXe_9uhxw Here's the teaser, since they reformed the team with a new name so it might not be easy to find. I think this is the only thing they've released about it so far, which doesn't really tell us much other than that they're making something, but honestly I'm just excited to see more from them. It being published by Epic suggests to me that it'll come to PC, which is a relief for me because I don't have a console
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                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHXe_9uhxw Here's the teaser, since they reformed the team with a new name so it might not be easy to find. I think this is the only thing they've released about it so far, which doesn't really tell us much other than that they're making something, but honestly I'm just excited to see more from them. It being published by Epic suggests to me that it'll come to PC, which is a relief for me because I don't have a console
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                    Thank god! I know a lot of gamers still hug their consoles, but I haven't had one since ninety dickety two, and I figured at least I could watch the pretty game if I couldn't play it. Because I am not about to grab a console for one game =P! Thank you by the by! It was super sweet to pass this along ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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                    • Bjรถrn TantauB Bjรถrn Tantau
                      The funny thing about Clair Obscur is that because they made parrying "mandatory" people now focus on all-hit runs as the hard thing to do instead of no-hit runs. So they're proving that it is actually not mandatory and that the game is really a normal JRPG that is just a bit hard in the beginning.
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                      evotech@lemmy.world
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                      It's a core game mechanic This like complaining that jumping is required to beat Mario
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                      • R redredme@lemmy.world
                        No no no no. No. You ever played DOOM? And i dont mean the recent incarnations, i mean the original one. No Parry. Only damage and more damage. And lots of endorfines. BFE. I hate parrying.
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                        Ultimate Doom didn't even have i-frames. If two rockets arrive at your location, you just die. Of course, the game didn't have jumping, either, and in most games that's kind of a big deal.
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                          There was bad drama last year that cost them some goodwill and support, but overall they are doing well as far as I know.
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                          Was that when Frost left? I know there was some disparity between his and SW's accounting of how the company was run but I didn't look very deep into it.
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                            Was that when Frost left? I know there was some disparity between his and SW's accounting of how the company was run but I didn't look very deep into it.
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                            Yeah. A lot of accusations of misconduct, abuse of power, and misuse of funds. And though there was a kernel of truth, the serious / deliberate stuff did not check out, the evidence was presented in a manipulative manner, and the whole thing was clearly personal. The other creators and co-owners of SW eventually came out with statements on the situation. And I don't see how all these smart folks that had just struggled to depart a terrible management situation and do have access to SW's financial records would let themselves get duped like that. Anyways like I said, over and done.
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                              This is a timely addition to the recent discussion on this comm
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                              Because Dark Souls made money
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                              • P PlzGivHugs
                                It is a fun game - I bought it and have put a dozen hours or so into it, but it also really doesn't capture the brilliance of Slay the Spire or the other more influential roguelike deckbuilders. In particular, a lot of it feels either clunky or repetitive. It *is* a good game, but *just* good rather than amazing.
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                                Idk, I like it more then StS personally, I'm at like 400 hours on AtO lol It's quite different from StS imo, and while I'm not a huge fan of the paradox model of dlcs (knew it was coming when they got bought by paradox tho) overall I think they've done a good job with keeping it updated and adding nifty new cards/locations/status effects etc
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