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Historic shoes sizes are measured in barleycorns.

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  • Murray GM - PaperpostsP Murray GM - Paperposts

    @futurebird I always like this diagram for explaining these old measurements. And also wondered if the foot ailment of having 'corns' was caused by shoes a barleycorn too small

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    @Paperposts

    Who is Ramsden? WHO is GUNTER?

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      @Paperposts

      Who is Ramsden? WHO is GUNTER?

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      @Paperposts

      Between the two, just looking at them. I only trust Gunter.

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      • Murray GM - PaperpostsP Murray GM - Paperposts

        @futurebird I always like this diagram for explaining these old measurements. And also wondered if the foot ailment of having 'corns' was caused by shoes a barleycorn too small

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        @Paperposts

        If LLMs and AI images didn't exist I'd edit this to add ant themed units and post it about to cause trouble... but ... I don't find that as amusing as I once did.

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        • Murray GM - PaperpostsP Murray GM - Paperposts

          @futurebird I always like this diagram for explaining these old measurements. And also wondered if the foot ailment of having 'corns' was caused by shoes a barleycorn too small

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          @Paperposts @futurebird

          USAnians and some (mostly older) UKians: that unholy mess covering 90% of the chart

          Everyone else: that nice clean single vertical line with a bunch of evenly spaced units ending in “m”

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            @Paperposts

            If LLMs and AI images didn't exist I'd edit this to add ant themed units and post it about to cause trouble... but ... I don't find that as amusing as I once did.

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            @futurebird @Paperposts

            1 ant-foot = … I guess maybe 1/3 point* = 1/216 inch = 1/2192 person-foot

            Don’t ask me to sort out ant-cubits or ant-miles.

            * More dependent on the choice of ant than people-feet are on the choice of person, of course.

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            • David NashD David Nash

              @Paperposts @futurebird

              USAnians and some (mostly older) UKians: that unholy mess covering 90% of the chart

              Everyone else: that nice clean single vertical line with a bunch of evenly spaced units ending in “m”

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              @dpnash @futurebird i’m just glad it doesn’t include paper sizes or barrels too

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              • Murray GM - PaperpostsP Murray GM - Paperposts

                @dpnash @futurebird i’m just glad it doesn’t include paper sizes or barrels too

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                @Paperposts @dpnash

                Oh we have been over the barrels around here too.

                Being upset about standard units is kind of just how I live I guess.

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                • Murray GM - PaperpostsP Murray GM - Paperposts

                  @futurebird I always like this diagram for explaining these old measurements. And also wondered if the foot ailment of having 'corns' was caused by shoes a barleycorn too small

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                  @Paperposts @futurebird I like this chart better.

                  See, this is a perfect half-order, Galois would be proud of this.

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                  • Sophie SchmiegS Sophie Schmieg

                    @mhoye @futurebird fun fact, it's the same unit. A 12 point font is half a barleycorn in size.

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                    @sophieschmieg @mhoye @futurebird There was clearly a good reason to have 12 points be a length unit unto itself, much like 12 inches is 1 foot. But back in the day, there was a schism between the people who wanted to call the 12-point unit a "barle" (the normies) or an "ycorn" (the weirdos who -- not entirely unreasonably -- thought "yttrium" was the coolest thing to name an element, ever). As a result (and also because nobody could agree on a pronunciation for either one), no special name for this otherwise useful length entered the lexicon.

                    (/s, in case it's not clear)

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                    • David NashD David Nash

                      @sophieschmieg @mhoye @futurebird There was clearly a good reason to have 12 points be a length unit unto itself, much like 12 inches is 1 foot. But back in the day, there was a schism between the people who wanted to call the 12-point unit a "barle" (the normies) or an "ycorn" (the weirdos who -- not entirely unreasonably -- thought "yttrium" was the coolest thing to name an element, ever). As a result (and also because nobody could agree on a pronunciation for either one), no special name for this otherwise useful length entered the lexicon.

                      (/s, in case it's not clear)

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                      @dpnash @mhoye @futurebird you jest, but: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barleycorn_(unit)

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                      • Sophie SchmiegS Sophie Schmieg

                        @dpnash @mhoye @futurebird you jest, but: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barleycorn_(unit)

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                        @dpnash @mhoye @futurebird the random factor of 11 you pick up somewhere on your way to miles still haunts me.

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                        • Sophie SchmiegS Sophie Schmieg

                          @dpnash @mhoye @futurebird the random factor of 11 you pick up somewhere on your way to miles still haunts me.

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                          @sophieschmieg @mhoye @futurebird It's an artifact of when some silly English git decided that the mile, which the Romans pegged at a sort-of-sensible "thousand paces" at 5 feet per "pace", needed to be an exact integer number of furlongs.

                          What is a fscking furlong? An originally not-too-terrible agricultural unit, representing a more-or-less typical length of plowed field. Unfortunately, the official "furlong" was 220 yards or 660 feet, which is not only why there is a cursed factor of 11 in things, it's why the English (and hence US) mile is 5280 feet (=8x660) instead of 5000.

                          It gets worse, and I'm not going to go into it here (the attached Wikipedia article covers it better), but the furlong itself was once more "even" (600 feet), and it *also* got contorted into something more awkward because of an underlying unit re-definition.

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                          • David NashD David Nash

                            @sophieschmieg @mhoye @futurebird It's an artifact of when some silly English git decided that the mile, which the Romans pegged at a sort-of-sensible "thousand paces" at 5 feet per "pace", needed to be an exact integer number of furlongs.

                            What is a fscking furlong? An originally not-too-terrible agricultural unit, representing a more-or-less typical length of plowed field. Unfortunately, the official "furlong" was 220 yards or 660 feet, which is not only why there is a cursed factor of 11 in things, it's why the English (and hence US) mile is 5280 feet (=8x660) instead of 5000.

                            It gets worse, and I'm not going to go into it here (the attached Wikipedia article covers it better), but the furlong itself was once more "even" (600 feet), and it *also* got contorted into something more awkward because of an underlying unit re-definition.

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                            @dpnash @sophieschmieg @mhoye

                            I like furlongs, they are what horses run.

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