I really do not understand "The Line" living in NYC, one of the more dense cities in the world, every day I appreciate the way we've solved the problems created by having so many people in one place.
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@jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman @cstross If you're the House of Saud and the inescapability of decarbonization looms, you desperately want the entire population somewhere contained, constrained, and controlled.
You especially want this to be a place that doesn't seem unpleasant to a superficial observer and where you can control all the comms access.
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@isaackuo @cstross @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman I would hope no one sets out to just launch a generation ship; there'd be a long period of wandering about in the Oort for relatively specific reasons before anyone thought to try switching Oorts, as it were.
It's the social failures brought on by the awareness that the switch is in progress that might be the interesting way to go with generation ship failure modes.
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@isaackuo @cstross @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman I would hope no one sets out to just launch a generation ship; there'd be a long period of wandering about in the Oort for relatively specific reasons before anyone thought to try switching Oorts, as it were.
It's the social failures brought on by the awareness that the switch is in progress that might be the interesting way to go with generation ship failure modes.
@graydon @isaackuo @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman Oort cloud is too big; safer to start out on a Hohman transfer to Saturn to shake down over a couple of decades (with known volatiles and water at the destination), then visit the Kuiper belt (surface exploration of Pluto/Charon and maybe Sedna, Makemake, and siblings?)
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@graydon @isaackuo @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman Oort cloud is too big; safer to start out on a Hohman transfer to Saturn to shake down over a couple of decades (with known volatiles and water at the destination), then visit the Kuiper belt (surface exploration of Pluto/Charon and maybe Sedna, Makemake, and siblings?)
@cstross @graydon @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman If we're talking what actually makes sense ... instead of a generation "ship" we could start with generation "stations" in Earth orbit, and then Earth co-orbit.
Raw resources for building them can be brought from elsewhere, taking advantage of the Oberth effect (on both ends). After some dozens or hundreds of generations we could send some to elsewhere why not.
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@cstross @graydon @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman If we're talking what actually makes sense ... instead of a generation "ship" we could start with generation "stations" in Earth orbit, and then Earth co-orbit.
Raw resources for building them can be brought from elsewhere, taking advantage of the Oberth effect (on both ends). After some dozens or hundreds of generations we could send some to elsewhere why not.
@isaackuo @cstross @graydon @Flux @jered @henryk @futurebird @afeinman
If someone lived in a society that had existed in this giant spaceship for generations, why would they want to go live on a planet?
Also, who was it who wrote the novel in which people on a generation starship developed a sort of religion, that says the idea of planets is completely fake? There is just the ship and space
