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Tim Sweeney doesn't hold back: if you think the Epic Games launcher is bad, it's because it is

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    Because per employee, Valve is one of the most profitable tech companies ever. That means they charged far higher fees than their costs.
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    So is your solution to have Valve hire more people and be less profitable? That would justify their fees? Or are you mad that the best market place with the most features is beating the pants off the last second cash grab platform that is just an extension of Ten Cent and the giant money pits sucking up actual developers? You talk like a shill. Valve doesn't need to charge less for the services they provide. They know what they have, which they have earned through good will and listening to feedback. Epic has nothing but money to pay people to shit talk Steam.
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      So is your solution to have Valve hire more people and be less profitable? That would justify their fees? Or are you mad that the best market place with the most features is beating the pants off the last second cash grab platform that is just an extension of Ten Cent and the giant money pits sucking up actual developers? You talk like a shill. Valve doesn't need to charge less for the services they provide. They know what they have, which they have earned through good will and listening to feedback. Epic has nothing but money to pay people to shit talk Steam.
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      >So is your solution to have Valve hire more people and be less profitable? That would justify their fees? No, they should have charged lower fees. >You talk like a shill. You're literally defending a billionaire who made his money overcharging gamers for decades.
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        Another thread where gamers praise Valve for ripping them off for years, and think Tim Sweeney is the devil for trying to break into the market.
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        Terrible take
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          Because per employee, Valve is one of the most profitable tech companies ever. That means they charged far higher fees than their costs.
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          I don't get the logic. If my company makes 10.000.000 with just 5 employees, then it is one of the most profitable companies ever. But this does not factor in how much of that money ist spend on keeping the infrastructure up, paying for resources or manufacturing.
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            I don't get the logic. If my company makes 10.000.000 with just 5 employees, then it is one of the most profitable companies ever. But this does not factor in how much of that money ist spend on keeping the infrastructure up, paying for resources or manufacturing.
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            You're thinking of revenue, not profit. Profit is revenue minus costs.
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              You're thinking of revenue, not profit. Profit is revenue minus costs.
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              Ah, my bad. Guess you got a point then.
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                I’ve been playing more of my old retail games that don’t require any launcher or drm beyond requiring the disc. It’s nice. I’m not exactly sure if “xfire on steroids” bloat of steam actually adds anything anymore these days. Steam is nice because my library is already there. Even the friends list has mostly been supplanted by discord now. I use the epic launcher for 1 thing, to launch Fortnite to play with my son. I don’t want more steam features, I’d rather acknowledge its existence less. Start selling games without DRM that only use the launcher to update and it’s better than steam. That’s the 1 feature it needs.
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                > Start selling games without DRM that only use the launcher to update and it’s better than steam. So... GOG?
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                  >So is your solution to have Valve hire more people and be less profitable? That would justify their fees? No, they should have charged lower fees. >You talk like a shill. You're literally defending a billionaire who made his money overcharging gamers for decades.
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                  If they camharge lower fees they would be getting allegations of pricing out any competition and get a lot of bad will. It's a lose lose situation with the solution you are proposing
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                    If they camharge lower fees they would be getting allegations of pricing out any competition and get a lot of bad will. It's a lose lose situation with the solution you are proposing
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                    Lol, no it's not, your just defending Valve because you like them. Lowering fees would have resulted in everyone liking them even more.
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                      The only thing stopping you from making it not suck, Tim, is you. You did the bare fucking minimum, and it's not even very good at *that.*
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                        Lmfao, fuck off with this dumb bullshit. The epic launcher is exact as spyware filled as the steam launcher.
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                        But does Epic have a fan base that will ignore any and all bad actions taken by the company and viciously support it? No, that’s Valve fanboys
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                          Somehow it takes even longer to launch than the Steam launcher.
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                            Another thread where gamers praise Valve for ripping them off for years, and think Tim Sweeney is the devil for trying to break into the market.
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                            You can break into the market without exclusivity deals. It helps to have a reason outside of "we want da valve money pls"
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                              You can break into the market without exclusivity deals. It helps to have a reason outside of "we want da valve money pls"
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                              Given that they offer half the fees of Valve, it's more like 'we don't want to keep having to pay Valve 30% of the *of our entire Revenue* on every game we want to sell when we can make a profit charging half as much*.
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                                > Despite these inconveniences, Sweeney remains optimistic and predicts that, over time, his strategy will better connect players across different platforms, thus surpassing Steam in the long run. And what's that strategy? Bribe users to come to Epic and but exclusive rights to games to force users to come to Epic to play them? Really? How has that been working so far?
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                                  Given that they offer half the fees of Valve, it's more like 'we don't want to keep having to pay Valve 30% of the *of our entire Revenue* on every game we want to sell when we can make a profit charging half as much*.
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                                  Good thing that most publishers don't pay 30% on Steam, they get a better deal the more they sell. And Valve does a lot to help games sell better, such as not having an awful client.
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                                    > Despite these inconveniences, Sweeney remains optimistic and predicts that, over time, his strategy will better connect players across different platforms, thus surpassing Steam in the long run. And what's that strategy? Bribe users to come to Epic and but exclusive rights to games to force users to come to Epic to play them? Really? How has that been working so far?
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                                    Didn’t anti-virus, spyware and/or malware apps flag Epic as malicious when it first launched?
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                                      Didn’t anti-virus, spyware and/or malware apps flag Epic as malicious when it first launched?
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                                      Idk, I have never installed EGS but have claimed hundreds of free games, and played several through Heroic.
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                                        Idk, I have never installed EGS but have claimed hundreds of free games, and played several through Heroic.
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                                        I've given up on the free games. I'm sure some are great, but I have enough of a backlog on Steam, I don't need more indie games. Plus I may as well pay for indie games - it's the AA and AAA games I want to grab for free. Now they still have some great AAA games every now and then that I would actually like to grab for free, but due to how much stuff they put out that isn't interesting to me, I've given up looking at it. Doesn't help that I have to re-login every time, regardless of whether I'm using EGS or Heroic (which is a way better launcher and the one I have installed right now). At this point I think I need to invest some time in getting an RSS client set up and getting notifications for EGS free games and other things I enjoy that I keep forgetting about. I guess I had notifications when I had the EGS client installed on Windows and it ran on the background, now I only fire up Heroic when I realize it exists.
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                                          I've given up on the free games. I'm sure some are great, but I have enough of a backlog on Steam, I don't need more indie games. Plus I may as well pay for indie games - it's the AA and AAA games I want to grab for free. Now they still have some great AAA games every now and then that I would actually like to grab for free, but due to how much stuff they put out that isn't interesting to me, I've given up looking at it. Doesn't help that I have to re-login every time, regardless of whether I'm using EGS or Heroic (which is a way better launcher and the one I have installed right now). At this point I think I need to invest some time in getting an RSS client set up and getting notifications for EGS free games and other things I enjoy that I keep forgetting about. I guess I had notifications when I had the EGS client installed on Windows and it ran on the background, now I only fire up Heroic when I realize it exists.
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                                          Eh, I have repurchased some games on Steam after getting them free from Epic. I rarely play them, but sometimes it's fun to dig through and find something I claimed. It takes like 30 sec on the web, so I do it when I'm in a meeting or something. > I have to re-login every time Really? I don't. Maybe that's why I've bothered claiming them nearly every week. I just open the web page, click the free game, then check out. New games drop every Thursday at 9AM PST, so it's easy to remember. I WFH Thursday and Friday, so it's easy to remember to claim it in the morning. But honestly, any day of the week works since it's one drop per week. It's more frequent during their Christmas sale, and I always forget when it starts, and I don't care enough to figure it out. So around Christmas, I check the next drop date and when it says the next day, I go on every day.
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